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Posted by nmp on September 20, 2005, 4:16 am
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Op Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:23:06 -0600, schreef Joe Strout:
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> Of course, it's a bit of a moot point because I also think that there
> *is* profit to be made in space,
How? This is faith/belief, not reason.
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> and space development will happen for those reasons first. But I still
> reject the assertion that, without a source of profit, space
> colonization would not happen within the next 500K years.
Without a source of profit COMMERCIAL space colonization is impossible.
You are right though, when you say there may be other reasons to do it.
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Posted by nmp on September 20, 2005, 4:07 am
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Op Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:09:29 +0000, schreef Rand Simberg:
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> The issue isn't whether or not you "made a profit." You were a
> consumer. It's whether or not the movie producer (as a provider of
> transportation to the moon or Mars) would do so.
Right. And no one is going to buy shares in a company that aims to set up
a passenger ferry to Mars, just because they will never see return on
their investment *in their lifetime*.
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Posted by Rand Simberg on September 20, 2005, 2:55 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:07:33 +0200, in a place far, far away, nmp
way as to indicate that:
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>> The issue isn't whether or not you "made a profit." You were a
>> consumer. It's whether or not the movie producer (as a provider of
>> transportation to the moon or Mars) would do so.
>Right. And no one is going to buy shares in a company that aims to set up
>a passenger ferry to Mars, just because they will never see return on
>their investment *in their lifetime*.
That's not at all obvious.
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Posted by Alan Anderson on September 20, 2005, 1:03 pm
Please log in for more thread options simberg.interglobal@org.trash (Rand Simberg) wrote:
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> >Right. And no one is going to buy shares in a company that aims to set up
> >a passenger ferry to Mars, just because they will never see return on
> >their investment *in their lifetime*.
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> That's not at all obvious.
The problem is that it *is* obvious.
It's obvious in the same way that the Earth is obviously flat, and heavy
objects obviously fall faster than lighter ones, and human-powered
flight is obviously impossible, and a business based on providing
overnight package delivery is obviously impractical.
From the point of view of someone looking only at the cost side of the
equation, human spaceflight of any sort is absurd on the face of it.
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Posted by nmp on September 20, 2005, 4:00 pm
Please log in for more thread options Op Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:03:06 +0000, schreef Alan Anderson:
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> From the point of view of someone looking only at the cost side of the
> equation, human spaceflight of any sort is absurd on the face of it.
Right, and this is exactly why commercial enterprises are not going to go
there - unless they get big government contracts to do so. Because for
them the costs far outweigh the benefits.
Last time I checked out the rover pictures, there was no money growing on
trees on Husband Hill, waiting to be harvested and brought back to Terra
to make lots of people rich. Which would, kinda, justify a commercial
effort to go there and pluck the dollar bills from the trees.
I am not saying that people should not go to Mars, because I think they
should. My point is that it is just not realistic to expect that some kind
of private party is going to finance this endeavour any time soon.
Much less, that they could do better than some kind of government program
could. Mind you, it need not be NASA, as I understand that quite a few of
you are a bit fed up with that organization.
But if you have any serious indication that perhaps some entrepeneur
anywhere in the world is even thinking about deploying a base on Mars, or
even the Moon and have ferry services set up to go there *and* expecting a
return on investment, without any government funds at all, please let me
know.
I will buy a ticket for that bus line, if it's affordable :)
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