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Posted by LooseChanj on March 14, 2008, 1:13 pm
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On or about Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:25:56 -0500, Jorge R. Frank
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> NASA artifacts go to the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum
> (NASM). This is governed by a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between
> NASA and NASM - there is no law saying they must. In principle, that
> does give NASA some leverage on where the NASM displays the artifacts,
> and I consider it at least somewhat likely that NASA will use that
> leverage to ensure that the NASA centers most heavily involved with the
> orbiter project (JSC and KSC) will get retired orbiters.
Any bets on who'll get which vehicle?
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Posted by Brian Thorn on March 14, 2008, 6:26 pm
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>> NASA will use that
>> leverage to ensure that the NASA centers most heavily involved with the
>> orbiter project (JSC and KSC) will get retired orbiters.
>Any bets on who'll get which vehicle?
NASM Dulles: Discovery
USAF Museum: Atlantis
KSC: Endeavour
DFRC: Enterprise with NASA905
Unless they find a way to get one to JSC and JSC actually produces a
decent plan to display one (unlike their rotted-away Saturn V.)
Brian
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Posted by Brian Thorn on March 14, 2008, 6:32 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:26:39 -0700 (PDT), charliexmurphy@yahoo.com
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>> Huntsville and Houston aren't in the running to my mind.
Huntsville is, I think, but fifth on the list and there are only four
to go around.
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>Boeing and wright pat won't get one. Bet on it.
Wright-Pat will get one, bet on it. :-) One of the biggest things
Smithsonian will look at is "can the Orbiter be taken care of and
displayed properly?" and the USAF Museum will be close to the top of
that criteria. They reportedly really, really, REALLY want Discovery,
but I'm betting NASM does, too, and guess who will win that fight.
They'll get Atlantis, which flew more military missions anyway.
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>NASM, JSC and KSC get the real one and MSFC gets Enterprise.
JSC will be close to the bottom of the priorities list, due to big
difficulties getting the Orbiter to JSC now, and their abysmal care of
their Saturn V.
MSFC and DFRC will be neck and neck, but I think DFRC will win, so
that the Smithsonian can have one Orbiter somewhere out west.
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>JSC has the political pull and that is where the program was run from.
But no money and a sad history of neglect.
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>The same places have Saturn Vs
The path that it took to get to JSC is now blocked by a bridge.
Brian
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Posted by Brian Thorn on March 14, 2008, 7:54 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:26:24 GMT, fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons)
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>>>> Huntsville and Houston aren't in the running to my mind.
>>Huntsville is, I think, but fifth on the list and there are only four
>>to go around.
>Three. NASM isn't going to give up Enterprise.
They'll almost certainly replace Enterprise with space-flown Orbiter.
Brian
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Posted by Jorge R. Frank on March 14, 2008, 9:21 pm
Please log in for more thread options Brian Thorn wrote:
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> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:26:39 -0700 (PDT), charliexmurphy@yahoo.com
> wrote:
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>>> Huntsville and Houston aren't in the running to my mind.
>
> Huntsville is, I think, but fifth on the list and there are only four
> to go around.
>
>> Boeing and wright pat won't get one. Bet on it.
>
> Wright-Pat will get one, bet on it. :-) One of the biggest things
> Smithsonian will look at is...
Remember what I wrote earlier: there is no law requiring NASA to hand
the orbiters over to the Smithsonian. Only an MOU. In practice, that
means that the Smithsonian will send the orbiters where NASA wants them
to go.
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> "can the Orbiter be taken care of and
> displayed properly?" and the USAF Museum will be close to the top of
> that criteria. They reportedly really, really, REALLY want Discovery,
> but I'm betting NASM does, too, and guess who will win that fight.
> They'll get Atlantis, which flew more military missions anyway.
Reportedly, the selection of Atlantis for the final HST mission clinched
it for Udvar-Hazy. My bet would be that NASM ships Enterprise to the
DoD, either to DFRC or Wright-Patt (I'd like the former, I suspect the
latter). JSC and KSC get the other two.
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>> NASM, JSC and KSC get the real one and MSFC gets Enterprise.
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> JSC will be close to the bottom of the priorities list, due to big
> difficulties getting the Orbiter to JSC now, and their abysmal care of
> their Saturn V.
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> MSFC and DFRC will be neck and neck, but I think DFRC will win, so
> that the Smithsonian can have one Orbiter somewhere out west.
MSFC had very little connection to the orbiter. Their involvement with
the shuttle program was mainly the SSME, ET, and SRB. Flaws in the
latter two cost us two orbiters.
The most appropriate orbiter to send to MSFC, quite honestly, is the
Challenger debris. With a note attached reading, "if you guys had done
the right thing, you'd *have* an intact orbiter to display."
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>> The same places have Saturn Vs
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> The path that it took to get to JSC is now blocked by a bridge.
I took a boat under the Kemah bridge last week; contrary to my previous
impressions driving over it, the main span is more than wide and tall
enough for an orbiter.
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> (NASM). This is governed by a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between
> NASA and NASM - there is no law saying they must. In principle, that
> does give NASA some leverage on where the NASM displays the artifacts,
> and I consider it at least somewhat likely that NASA will use that
> leverage to ensure that the NASA centers most heavily involved with the
> orbiter project (JSC and KSC) will get retired orbiters.